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This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server.
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alrighty, I have a passphrase in mind
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how do you astral project?
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I remember that it involved sleep paralysis which could be triggered by lucid dreaming.
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there's kinda two camps re: astral projection in my experience, Bre
11:57 PM
there's people who have sleep paralysis and have an OBE and then have a metaphysical explanation for this (i.e., "my soul was outside of my body) and there's people who literally think they can project their soul/mana/ki/energy/mind/etc outside, more on the level of "I can read minds" type of situation
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Unfastened Belts 7/14/2020 3:35 AM
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well I like it very much
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you know
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this kiiiinda seems like a guide to increase absorption and induce hypnagogia
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hypnagogia, sometimes + sleep paralysis is what induces most of that list
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[citation needed]
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they go straight from "they've been researching this shit since the 70s!" to "travel the earth and time, meet dead famous people" (edited)
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I'm sure people can have great experiences- there's very good application for tulpas and my greatest experiences with imposition were certainly within the umbrella of what's being called "The Phase" here
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but the meta angle should be cut imo, put up or shut up
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@Duo tell me how things panned out for you, I did not receive any messages and waited at the gates for a while, however I did wake up very suddenly and completely at 1AM today we also really did not set a time
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for the sake of people looking in, what I did was lay in bed, I went to bed at 8PMish, and I imagined myself at the gates in Disneyland, and I imagined my soul/body walking out of my body laying in bed and flying to Disney and then I dicked around the gates for a while
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I think we should just postpone the experiment. 1. I am having trouble a Lucid Dreaming as of late 2. Time zones
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I watched The Phase guy's seminar on youtube, he says he doesn't believe it's metaphysical, just an experience you can have (ie the experience of traveling the universe or meeting a dead celebrity)
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Sounds spot on to me
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The appeal is that it feels real, or more real than real
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And then eventually you come to the realization that even waking life is just an experience... 😂
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I'll be there tonight at 11pm EST wearing a pink bucket hat. I'll be in front of the Mickey planter-flower thing.
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Big brain astral projection meet ups involve time traveling to the target place/time, bc it's unlikely that you'd be out of body at the exact same time
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Take pics or it didn't happen.
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there's a secret passphrase and I'll be standing there yelling it at the top of my lungs, if anyone can come and say what it is I'll consider it a win
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@Zace
10:22 PM
There is a channel on this
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Zhuangzi’s chief strategy as a writer seems to have been to undermine our ordinary notions of truth and value by claiming a very radical form of fact and value relativity. For Zhuangzi, as for Laozi, all values that humans hold dear -- good and bad; beauty and ugliness -- are non-natural and do not really exist outside of our very arbitrary prejudices. But Zhuangzi goes farther. He attacks our belief that there are any firm facts in the world. According to Zhuangzi, the cosmos is in itself an undivided whole, a single thing without division of which we are a part. The only true “fact” is the dynamic action of this cosmic system as a whole. Once, in the distant past, human beings saw the world as a whole and themselves as a part of this whole, without any division between themselves and the surrounding context of Nature. But since the invention of words and language, human beings have come to use language to say things about the world, and this has had the effect of cutting up the world in our eyes. When humans invent a name, suddenly the thing named appears to stand apart from the rest of the world, distinguished by the contours of its name definition. In time, our perception of the world has degenerated from a holistic grasping of it as a single system, to a perception of a space filled with individual items, each having a name. Every time we use language and assert something about the world, we reinforce this erroneous picture of the world. We call this approach “relativism” because Zhuangzi’s basic claim is that what we take to be facts are only facts in relation to our distorted view of the world, and what we take to be good or bad things only appear to have positive and negative value because our mistaken beliefs lead us into arbitrary prejudices.
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The dynamic operation of the world-system as a whole is the Dao. The partition of the world into separate things is the outcome of non-natural, human language-based thinking. Zhuangzi believed that what we needed to do was learn how to bypass the illusory divided world that we have come to “see before our eyes,” but which does not exist, and recapture the unitary view of the universe of the Dao. Like Laozi, Zhuangzi does not detail any single practical path that can lead us to achieve so dramatic a change in perspective. But his book is filled with stories of people who seem to have made this shift, and some of these models offer interesting possibilities. One of the most well known of these stories is the tale of Cook Ding, a lowly butcher who has perfected carcass carving to a high art. In the Zhuangzi, Cook Ding describes how the world appears to him when he practices his dance-like butchery: When I first began cutting up oxen, all I could see was the ox itself. After three years I no longer saw the whole ox. And now -- now I meet it with my spirit and don’t look with my eyes. Perception and understanding have come to a stop and spirit moves where it wants. I go along with the natural makeup, strike in the big hollows, guide the knife through the big openings, and follow things as they are.
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ThoughtDaemon 7/18/2020 12:49 AM
Excellent infodump there
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a good beginnings of Daoism in there, but its still hard to grasp
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Lula! | 👻 7/18/2020 1:04 AM
But since the invention of words and language, human beings have come to use language to say things about the world, and this has had the effect of cutting up the world in our eyes. When humans invent a name, suddenly the thing named appears to stand apart from the rest of the world, distinguished by the contours of its name definition.
@JGC That sounds like stuff Lily has said! Maybe we're not so different after all. 🤣
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That is really interesting though that you post that stuff as a plural and in a plural space though. 😊
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"as a plural" is weird phrasing
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Lula! | 👻 7/18/2020 1:09 AM
It is, and offensive. ☹️ I meant as part of a system. In that sense. I am sorry. (edited)
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apology accepted, it's chill now
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Unfastened Belts 7/18/2020 3:03 AM
Read that nice summary of Daoism, then found myself surprised this was tulpa.info rather than the non-duality server :) Yeah Daoism is about peace of mind as well
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Lula! | 👻 7/18/2020 3:59 AM
Maybe if your non-duality server wasn't so weird and creepy about me I would probably hang out there more @Unfastened Belts . 🤣
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Someone needs to hose those boys down.
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@Unfastened Belts , I'm starting to think that sort of non-dualistic views actually help with tulpas possessing and switching.
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Unfastened Belts 7/18/2020 7:43 AM
Nice :)
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[ECHO TEAM SOLUTIONS] Tombstone 7/19/2020 9:34 PM
What are these "metaphysics"?
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Found it
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noun the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, identity, time, and space.
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Breloomancer 7/19/2020 9:35 PM
in tulpamancy metaphysics means basically magic
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[ECHO TEAM SOLUTIONS] Tombstone 7/19/2020 9:36 PM
You lost me at "magic"
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Breloomancer 7/19/2020 9:36 PM
good thing that that was the last word in my sentence then
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this channel is basically where all the crazy people are quarantined
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although sometimes shake and some other people will discuss actual metaphysics here too
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[ECHO TEAM SOLUTIONS] Tombstone 7/19/2020 9:37 PM
Got it.
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So I suppose and presume that a "regular" physics channel will be unwanted and to the result of that unneeded and end up not being created, correct?
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Breloomancer 7/19/2020 9:41 PM
the reason why this channel exists is so that people with magic beliefs don't pollute other channels with it. a channel on actual real stuff isn't needed because people are fine with that being everywhere
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[ECHO TEAM SOLUTIONS] Tombstone 7/19/2020 9:41 PM
Okay.
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 2:42 AM
I frequent the meta channels because they are usually the only ones that allow me to talk about psychedelics
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Psychedelics + plurality
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Very useful if you ignore the crazies. And proper metaphysics discussion, though rare, is very good
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Psychedelics are okay elsewhere on this server, too, but for me psychedelics are very much connected to non-dual teachings, which I talk about only in here so as not to annoy Apollo :p (edited)
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As long as there's no super prolonged discussion/methods/sources on how to acquire/take drugs, then it's a llowed.
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 5:14 AM
yeah thats the general law
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its a shame that the anti drug pluralchats dont understand that, they assume even uttering the word cannabis is illegal
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its easy to make a quarantine psych chat just like the meta or nsfw
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Breloomancer 7/20/2020 5:15 AM
as long as no mods see the super prolonged discussion/methods/sources on how to acquire/take drugs, then it's allowed
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Breloomancer 7/20/2020 5:16 AM
:-)
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drugs are that way -->
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not this way
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User list?
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 5:21 AM
yeah theres a big moral and legal line between discussing the science of drugs and tulpamancy / spirituality then trying to acquire them illegally in public
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absolutely stupid
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Breloomancer 7/20/2020 5:23 AM
the only reason why psychedelics are illegal is because the government doesn't want you to be able to think freely, but yeah it is pretty dumb to discuss where to get drugs in a public space, especially online
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 5:29 AM
Breloomancer are you interested in my hypothetical soon to be psychedelics and tulpamancy index/server?
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Breloomancer 7/20/2020 5:30 AM
sure
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I've only done LSD once though, and I haven't done any other drugs, but I am experienced with other sorts of psychonautic things
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 5:40 AM
hell yeah
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another one for the list
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Interested too
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 6:57 AM
eyesmaximumintensify
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I would be interested as well.
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 8:25 AM
based
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ThoughtDaemon 7/20/2020 12:12 PM
FBI
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EVERY TULPA GET ON THE GROUND NOW 🔫
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no
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Breloomancer are you interested in my hypothetical soon to be psychedelics and tulpamancy index/server?
@ThoughtDaemon sign me up too
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Once you've got a server up and running you can contact one of the admins to get it put up in the server-hub if you'd like.
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@ThoughtDaemon me as well
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Yeah slip it into the server-hub
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ThoughtDaemon 7/21/2020 12:42 AM
Wow i didnt expect this to actually gain traction. Okay i will keep this channel my main update chann until i get it sorted
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Guess who just bought 3/8 of an ounce of shrooms today :33
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ThoughtDaemon 7/21/2020 5:44 AM
LEDGE
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what species
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